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Home arrow Opinion arrow Women’s rights versus universal human rights
Women’s rights versus universal human rights Print E-mail
Written by Benjamin Ledford - Argonaut   
Monday, 22 September 2008
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There is a difference between a good thing and the best thing. For example, a meal served with a delicious dessert is a good thing, but a meal in which every course is delicious is the best thing. Getting an A in one class is better than getting no A’s but not as good as getting all A’s. I think we can all understand this pretty easily. However, whether we understand it or not, sometimes we treat the good things as though they are actually the best things.
Where am I going with this? I’ll tell you. When we talk about women’s rights, we should consider whether they are good things or whether they are the best things, because many people treat them as the best things. Of course, I will say it is better to have women’s rights than not to have women’s rights, but the only way to put women’s rights first is if we are willing to say — which I am not — that women are better and more important than humanity as a whole.
If we agree human rights are actually better, then what does it mean for how we think about current issues? Well, there is one major implication which comes to mind immediately: abortion.


Whether we want to call them people or not, embryos are human, and they are a separate organism from their mother, not a part of her body. From its conception, an embryo is alive, has a different DNA structure than its mother and is of the species Homo sapiens.
In other words, it is a human being, albeit in the early stages of development. If someone doesn’t want to call an unborn child a human, that is his or her right, but it is only a sort of odd, arbitrary preference, nothing more. It is as if I didn’t want to call Idaho a state — no one could stop me, but that doesn’t change the fact that Idaho is, in fact, a state.


If we are truly concerned about human rights, then it should trouble us deeply it is legal to kill a human being in the U.S. as long as it is small enough. Not only this, but in the name of independence, they are being killed in vastly larger numbers than any other group in history. However, because we think that women’s rights are the best, rather than good, we allow this killing because it expands a woman’s choices. We love the right to choose for ourselves, but what about the right not to be killed in infancy?


It seems to me even if someone were concerned exclusively with women’s rights and didn’t care at all about human rights as a whole, he or she would at least object to aborting women before birth. Incidentally, about half of all the children aborted in the U.S. are girls.
Why aren’t women’s rights groups lobbying for them?


Women’s rights are good, but they don’t excuse killing. Standing up for the rights of all people young or old, male or female, big or small, strong or weak, especially when they cannot speak up for themselves — now that’s the best thing.


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Comments (14)
1. 23-09-2008 14:09
 
Kudos to this article
Thank you for standing by what is right. I am a woman, and I am extremely frustrated by women who attempt to justify abortion by claiming it is a woman's right. To prove how dedicated I am to this stance, I got pregnant unexpectedly at 18, and I now have a beautiful 9-month-old daughter. If women believe that abortion is okay, they should not be having sex. If they are not ready to accept the results of their actions, they should give up their "right" to be sexually active.
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breiherrud
2. 23-09-2008 17:56
 
This article is irresponsible, mysogenis
Yes, embryos are separate organisms. They are separate, parasitic, and potentially life-threatening organisms. In light of these indisputable facts, their allowance of gestation must be either dictated or withheld by their host alone, as it is this host whose body functions are being pirated and it is this HUMAN host whose life is threatened.  
-Zack O'Connor
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ocon6316
3. 23-09-2008 18:45
 
Weak argument
I find it very interesting that "pro-choice" individuals attempt to victimize the "host" when in reality it's the embryo that is purely innocent. If the day comes when "hosts" become impregnated by sitting on toilet seats or by eating contaminated food, you let me know. Otherwise, this human host you speak of (as well as its male counterpart), and not the HUMAN embryo, are exclusively responsible.
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breiherrud
4. 23-09-2008 19:06
 
Shame
It is hard to believe that such flawed and misleading opinion is published on this newspaper. 
First of all, let me just remind our readers that the issues of women's rights, much like any other kind of humanitarian rights, are not restricted to one fact only. Yes, the question as to whether a woman should have the choice to give birth or not is an issue of women's rights. And yes, that is a question filled with controversies that will hardly be resolved any time soon. However, your generalization of the cause based on this single fact is just outrageous. 
I have a task for you, Ben. I want you to do some research on military interventions from any country to any country across history. When you do that, I want you to focus your attention on how women are treated after an invasion. I will guarantee you that you will find that they are raped, abducted, humiliated and made to undergo forced pregnancy, sexual abuse and slavery in the great majority of the cases.  
You will find Shakespeare discussing that matter in many of his plays. You will also find that in news reports from the American interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan. Pick your favorite country and war. 
After you have done that, tell me if the abuse suffered by those women are issues that are restricted to “humanity as a whole” or to “women.” Tell me if there is a way to distinguish one from the other. I have faith in you as a human being that you will realize that there is not a way to do so. 
As to “ordering” what tragedy first, and what does not, it is just absurd. In the case in which a 13-year old girl is raped and impregnated by her own father… Should that be treated as a case of violation to children’s rights or to women’s rights? If to women’s rights, should it be considered less important than, let’s say, children being used in the workforce in countries like Brazil and Bolivia? 
Your “doctrine” preaches that “Human Rights” are superior to “Women’s Rights.” That does not make any sense. Here’s a definition to that… I think it might come handy, since you do not seem to have a clue as to what it means: 
 
“The basic rights and freedoms to which all humans are entitled, often held to include the right to life and liberty, freedom of thought and expression, and equality before the law.” 
 
Did you read the “ALL HUMANS” part? That happens to include women, because, believe it or not, they are human too! 
 
Oh, and you don’t seem to know what “women’s rights” are either… Here’s a definition for you: 
 
“A movement in support of socioeconomic, political, and legal rights for women equal to those of men.” 
 
Does that resemble the “all humans… are equal before the law” part in the definition of human rights? Yes. You can find those definitions on books at the library and on google. Do you know what the latter is? I sure hope so… 
Lastly, on your abortion claims to women “killing” babies (“they are being killed in vastly larger numbers than any other group in history”)…  
Not every pro-women’s rights person is pro-choice, unlike your claims seem to show. And in addition to that, if you claim that every cell “that is independent from your body (…) and that has a different genetic configuration than your own” is a life worth keeping… Then I hope that you have never ejaculated in your life. That description just happens to be similar to the definition to “sperm” (which you can also find on google). So, every one of those millions of sperms that you have killed when you did ejaculate was a life that you prevented from developing into a fully grown human being. 
I know that this subject requires a much deeper level of ethical analysis, but quite honestly, I am not interested in your points of view in this matter. 
I just hope that students who are actually getting a real education in this institution can swim through your fallacies and make up their minds after reading from authors with a minimum level of scholarship and credibility... neither of which you seem to qualify to be. 
- Rainier Elias
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h_rainier
5. 23-09-2008 19:26
 
...to the detriment of our own women
If we are expected to accept the notion that women's rights should be relegated to an inferior position relative to human rights as a whole, the crux of Mr. Ledford's argument, how then can we not also accept the notion that the rights of these cell clumps can also be relegated to a position of inferiority-- relative to the rights of our women. "Pro-choice" individuals aren't trying to victimize the host, they're trying to empower women-- a notion that should, in my opinion, always take precedence over the vapid, overly sentimental notion of protecting clumps of NOT YET HUMAN cells.
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ocon6316
6. 23-09-2008 21:02
 
My final word on the subject
Hold on, this might come as a shocker :0) 
Throughout the day, I’ve been responding to articles and responses on the issue of abortion. At the end of the day, however, I did not have peace of mind. Over the past year, I have been building a relationship with God that is strengthening daily. So I prayed about this absence of peace of mind, and found my answer. While I hold strong in my belief that abortion is murder, I realize that my approach to this debate has been very un-Christian and very judgmental, two things I try to avoid being at all times. I will be the first to admit that I’ve faultered. 
All in all, I have found that this is not a debate of morality or sexism; it is a matter of definitional ambiguity. I believe that an embryo is a human being from the moment it is conceived. Due to my belief that an embryo is its own person, I believe that it is the human right of the embryo to have the right to not be aborted; the right to life. In this, I see abortion as murder, and therefore a matter of morality.  
On the other hand, Zack views the embryo as not human (at some point anyway, I’m not certain for up to what point). In this view, since the issue of abortion only affects the mother (or woman, since the embryo isn’t a child in this view). This makes it the woman’s right to do with her body as she sees appropriate. The matter of morality is not a factor since only one human being is involved. 
As we all know, there is no way to define the beginning of life. Science has defined the beginning of pregnancy as the point at which the embryo is embedded in the wall of the uterus. However, this is not a concrete definition, but moreso a definition formed out of necessity to define the beginning of a pregnancy since many embryos are aborted naturally before this point, as well as after. Personally, I define the beginning of human life as the presence of a soul, and not as a heartbeat, brain, or various prenatal stage. I realize that this is an abstract thought to many people and I’m sure it is now getting raised eyebrows. However, it is what I believe with all my heart. As of now, I have found no way of knowing when exactly it is that an embryo gains a soul, and I doubt I ever will. I am not willing to take the chance of condoning possible murder by stating any particular point that the embryo is human. This is why I consider an embryo human from conception. I don’t expect people to understand this or agree with it, it is simply where I am coming from. 
At present, this is an unresolvable issue. The truth is that pro-life arguments are only logical to people who believe the way I do, and pro-choice arguments are only logical to people who believe the way Zack or Rainier do, due to the fact that the opposing views are based on differing foundations. No matter how passionate any of us are about our beliefs, the only people we will be able to influence are people who are undecided on the issue. Unfortunately, such people are virtually unheard of.
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breiherrud
7. 24-09-2008 09:39
 
A hopefully intelligent post
Let me first thank everyone for being involved in this discussion. I found this discussion because I've been preparing for a comparative presentation about U.S. abortion rates, demographics, and social programs as opposed to the same things abroad. 
 
Brei, I found your last post to be well thought out, compassionate, and open-minded. You and your brother sound a lot alike at times, which isn't that surprising. I'm impressed. However, I'm not entirely sure that this debate is a matter of definitional ambiguity. For many, it seems to be a matter of what feels right or wrong to them. For many, it was the way they were raised. For instance, I was raised in a strongly secular, pro-choice household, and from that I am pro-choice on the basis that women (and families) should have a choice for a number of reasons, both practical and abstract. However, I have been surprised to find that if I were to be placed in a position where I had to decide, my choice would be to become a parent in every sense of the word. I am lucky enough to be with a partner who agrees with me on both counts. 
 
Personal beliefs aside, I would like to address some of the claims made by Mr. Ledford. He states that the embryo is "not a part of her body." Strictly speaking, no, it isn't: in fact, the embryo has to produce special compounds that prevent the mother's immune system from attacking and killing it. However, the two bodies are so intertwined that they share waste and filtration systems, nourishment, living space, etc. The embryo is very much a part of the mother - you cannot separate them from one another without killing at least one of them. Very much like an arm or a leg, for about nine months (preemies aside): if you remove it, it doesn't make it. As such, it is the woman's choice alone as to whether she wants to make the commitment to have the child or not, to be host to a thing that shares half of her genetic information. If she doesn't or can't, then that is her choice, and she can can follow through on that choice with today's medical practices. 
 
As an aside, the U.S. government has a law stating that states must pay for voluntary abortions if the mother's life is endangered if she carries the baby for a full pregnancy, if she has been raped, or has been the victim of incest. South Dakota is in defiance of this law by only providing funds for an abortion if the mother's life is in danger. 
 
Mr. Ledford also states that embryos "are being killed in vastly larger numbers than any other group in history." This is incorrect. Let's consider Jews, Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Africans, Europeans, Native Americans, Asians, and virtually any other human group. And that's just the ones we have records for. Epidemics, wars, ethnic cleansings, slave trade, religious persecutions, suicides, you name it. While I don't think that Mr. Ledford should be personally attacked for making these false statements, I am concerned by his lack of fact-checking. 
 
Abortion, like other bioethical topics, always comes down to a "slippery-slope" argument: where can you draw a line? It's virtually impossible. If embryos should have a "right to life", should they also get the right to vote? How can you know which way they would vote? Children don't always vote the same way their parents do. And in this country, you can't vote until you're 18, despite the fact that a 15-year-old genius is probably better able to make a rational judgement call than a 48-year-old who prefers not to spend to much time thinking. So where does that leave the embryo? And while it may be defined as human (much like your skin cells), at what point does it become a person? What makes each of us a person? Rational thought? Then where does that leave grown humans with little or no capacity for thought? Are they humans, rather than "people"?  
 
Lots of questions and no answers. And so that brings me to what I believe: women should not be given their answer. They should be asked a question. Some will answer one way, others will answer a different way, and people won't always make the same decision every time. What matters is the choice, and I will defend that right to choose with everything I've got.
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Ivankuletz
8. 24-09-2008 13:07
 
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Yes Ivan, I believe that was an intelligent post :0)
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breiherrud
9. 25-09-2008 15:09
 
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Nice post Ivan, 
 
Perhaps we should read our constitution? 
 
All persons BORN OR NATURALIZED in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. 
 
Born citizens are received rights, and only when they are born and no longer a part of a woman's body.  
 
The choice belongs to women, and if the populace comes a consensus otherwise, it should require a Constitutional Amendment.
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gehr4733
10. 26-09-2008 09:16
 
So much for my final word... :0)
Gehr, 
I can respect your argument from a legal stance, but unfortunately my morals are not instilled in me by my government. When I say that I believe an embryo has a right to life, I'm not talking about in the United States alone. 
 
However, just to put it out there, I do not believe there should be a law against abortion. Not because I don't think its wrong, but because I don't think it would solve the problem. I truly believe that making it illegal would do more harm than good. Making a law against it isn't going to stop it from happening, and it's not going to make women who are forced by the government into having their babies take care of themselves during their pregnancies, especially if they're planning on giving their kid up for adoption. I would hope that the majority of those women would be mature enough not to take their resentment of the government out on their unborn child (risking giving it lifelong health implications), but sadly I believe there would be a percentage who would do just that in order to spite the government. SMALL PERCENTAGE, but a percentage nonetheless. If a drug addict or an alcohol is forced by the government to have their baby, I believe a portion of them won't see the reason in sobering up for the sake of their (unwanted) pregnancy.  
In a perfect world for me, abortion would be legal, but women would refuse to take part.
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